I am amazed at the tales that are told by EBAY watch dealers in order to sell watches as being military.
First of all, only GOV issued watches are marked with information, or ordinance Marks. That means INFORMATION that would identify the watch as being issued. Germany, Great Britain, United States were fairly strict in marking case backs with information. US GOV Mil issue watches had tons of information. Just look at an A-11 Pilots Hack Watch or a British GSTP.
So, are these the only watches used during war time? NO! There are many watches that were made for the MILITARY MARKET. I.E.: Made to sell to soldiers. The Vietnam War would see watches like the Zodiac Sea Wolf or BULOVA 666 or many other watches made with the soldier, GI in mind.
During WWII 50 watch manufacturers designed watches for use in the military field of battle.
So how can we distinguish after market MILITARY watches from ordinary watches?
1- DATE THE MOVEMENT.
You have to date the watch. If, say, a watch was made during WWII and it featured special attributions, such as radium dial, sweeps seconds with chapter rings. There are many ways to determine your next investment. Also look at the brand. Phenix provided watches to the British. ATP watches. They then sold the same models to US Service Men!
2- Movement. Few watches were made with military in mind that had lexss than 15jewels. AND REMEMBER THIS NONE HAD AUTOMATIC MOVEMENTS. NONE.
DURING THE VIETNAM WAR AUTOMATICS WERE SOLD IN PX AND R&R LOCATIONS THAT GI’s INVESTED IN.
3- ASK QUESTIONS! JUST BECAUSE A DIAL HAS AN OUTER CHAPTER WITH RED SLASHES DOES NOT, ON ITS OWN, MAKE IT MILITARY. IF A WATCH IS EVEN THOUGHT TO BE SOLD AS A MILITARY WATCH TO THE INDIVIDUAL; SOLDIER, IT IS SOLD DURING WAR TIME. SO, DATING IS THE NUMBER ONE EFFORT.
AND REMEMBER AUTOMATICS WERE NOT BOUGHT, CONTRACTED FOR, OR UTILIZED BY THE GERMAN, BRITISH OR AMERICAN FORCES.
BELOW WE HAVE AN EBAY VENDER OFFERING A WATCH AS A PILOTS MILITARY WATCH. HIS OFFER HAS ONE NOTE IN THE DESCRIPTION, HE STATES HE BELIEVES IT IS MILITARY DUE To THE RED SWEEPS CHAPTER, SORRY TO SAY, NO DATE, NO WAR, NO MOVEMENT TO SHOW…
Vintage 17 Jewel–Hyde Park Military Aviator’s Wristwatch-Wor
Up for bids is what I believe is a military wristwatch, due to the extra red markings around the regular “second” markings. It is a 17 jewel watch with the name Hyde Park on the face. It is keeping almost perfect time.
THIS NEXT ITEM REALY HAD ME GOING. WE KNOW IT IS 1950’S TO 1960’S. IT HAS ALL THE FEATRURES OF THE 1940’S WWII PHENIX WATCHES. FROM RADIUM (COULD BE TRITIUM ON THIS MODEL) . IT HAS THE CLEAR MARKED SECONDS ON THE SECONDS CHAPTER. HANDS ARE BLACK STEEL WITH ILLUMINATED WINDOWS, SWEEP HAND IS RED., EVERYTHING SCREAMS OUT MILITARY. AND, IT COULD BE KOREA… PHENIX MADE WATCHES FOR THE US AND OTHER UN FORCES SOLDIERS TO BUY. BUT THE PROBLEM HERE IS THERE IS NO DATE. AND, IT IS AN AUTOMATIC. NO MAJOR COUNTRY ISSUED AUTOMATICS FOR MILITARY USE. AND, THE USA, GERMANY AND BRITISH AND RUSSIANAND FRENCH AND ITALIANS DIDNOT ISUE SAME. AND, WHILE AUTONATICS WERE BIG IN MID 1960’S IN VIETNAM,.WITH MILLIONS BEING SOLD, THAT WOULD BE 10 YEARS IN THE FUTURE. YET THIS WATCH IS BEING OFFERED AS NOT SIMPLY A INVESTMENT BY A SOLDIER, BUT AS A MILITARY ISSUED WATCH WITH ORDINANCE MARKINGS ON THE CASE BACK. AS I STATED, THERE NEVER WERE AUTOMATICS ISSUED TO SOLDIERS BY ANY OF THE GOVERMENT..
Vintage Phenix Automatic Military 1950s
Neat classic wrist watch running and keeping correct time. Stainless steel case measures 30 mm exclusion of the crown and 38 mm lug to lug. The back shows some marks where previousowner removed most the ordinance marks. I can see a partial turkey track although you be the final judge about that.